tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.comments2023-08-21T09:11:19.517+01:00Marginal MusingsTina Beattiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04324786100032395008noreply@blogger.comBlogger588125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-74007074204573169422018-04-15T21:14:02.038+01:002018-04-15T21:14:02.038+01:00I am a progressive and an atheist. But I think lat...I am a progressive and an atheist. But I think later term abortions are immoral in most cases. http://waliberals.org/dems-should-have-agreed-to-a-grand-compromise-involving-reasonable-restrictions-on-late-term-abortions/2016/11/26/ThinkerFeelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09555846438599465354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-80086709272945323802017-10-14T00:03:35.008+01:002017-10-14T00:03:35.008+01:00Petrus, How and where does her position differ fro...Petrus, How and where does her position differ from the Church's position? Your comment too vague.Julett Clarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388291093214188932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-67886611028976367072017-10-13T23:39:33.820+01:002017-10-13T23:39:33.820+01:00Dear "anonymous": I do not consider Dr B...Dear "anonymous": I do not consider Dr Beattie's reflection and statement an opinion. It is a critical Catholic analysis that doesn't dodge the complexity of the issue. As you are "anonymous" your response is irrelevant, and you feign humor and minimizing the importance of Dr. Beattie's clear articulation of her belief as "cute". Quite silly. Could you be a robot!<br /><br />For myself, it is quite clear that Dr. Beattie distinguishes herself in her articulation of the limits of moral application is multi tiered decisions and contexts, as a sound moral theologian and exceptionally "pro life". She acknowledges that she is not God. In the challenges of life - faith leads us to charity, and to consider the gray areas that God is constantly working through. What is quite clear beyond doubt is this: If we are concerned with preserving life we must attend to all of the deaths of poor women and their infants in poor fragile areas in our world. We must do that by sharing wealth. I believe those who do not want to address their own security keep projecting the problem on to women and abortion, rather than on our global responsibility to share the resources of God in a more equitable way to prevent the deaths and illness of women and their expected children or newborns.<br /><br />I am indebted to Dr Beattie for not fearing to call out these complex issues and not pretending that we have all of the answers but pointing to our belief that God is active and working in our world for responses. I believe, and it is not my opinion, that Dr. Beattie is witnessing for the poor women and infants who have no voice. Shame on those who want to create an artificial representation of her beliefs. <br />Dr Thérèse M. Craine Bertsch, DSW, LCSW<br /><br />Dr Therese M Craine Bertschnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-8538328333329123532017-09-19T21:23:11.376+01:002017-09-19T21:23:11.376+01:00Great breath of fresh air and common aenseGreat breath of fresh air and common aenseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04725198212009776300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-58203885406835911312017-02-19T20:17:37.740+00:002017-02-19T20:17:37.740+00:00So you have an opinion, but it's not Catholic ...So you have an opinion, but it's not Catholic and you can't deal with it? With all due respect your position on a Catholic moral issue is irrelevant, because it's not magisterial- oops! But cute all the same :-) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-36849441627045238942016-10-23T13:08:29.393+01:002016-10-23T13:08:29.393+01:00Yes, indeed. We need much more freedom in the Chur...Yes, indeed. We need much more freedom in the Church. What we need urgently is freedom in the Church from this kind of nonsense and the people who put it forward. I don't know what it is but it isn't Catholicism. They can call it Catholicism as much as they like but if it doesn't quack it ain't a duck. And this ain't Catholicism.Highland Cathedralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07519428794618769856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-73926529115114786242016-06-27T19:50:52.895+01:002016-06-27T19:50:52.895+01:00Goodness.Its interesting how the remain voters see...Goodness.Its interesting how the remain voters seem to think they have the right ,entitlement even to dissect the reasons why 75.5million voted Leave Rene Girard would have a field day with the way they have both stigmatised them by age Area poverty lack of education etc A very middle class blog and attitude that the 'young' can be allowed to call 'older' people for stealing their future? can even be told never mind a democratic vote ask for another Really <br />Democracy isn't fair at times like life but a lesson learned here <br />Over 13million didn't bother to vote or were unable to because of many reasons Poverty of homelessness perhaps <br />The division between the North and South of Uk is clear both in attitude and austerity <br />All the insults on Twitter come from the Remain side not leave There is a legitimate anti racist anti austerity and Catholic reason to vote leave <br />retrochbabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14524769306586555526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-20747373802213023392016-05-22T06:53:05.934+01:002016-05-22T06:53:05.934+01:00What are you talking about with the image of the K...What are you talking about with the image of the KKK members and Christianity? KKK members HATE Catholics.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15276023435891448608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-44098162642390998062016-05-13T08:12:14.865+01:002016-05-13T08:12:14.865+01:00I pray that this will set the record straight. I...I pray that this will set the record straight. I don't understand how some read. Your articles with blind eyes. Stay strong Tina and God bless you Irena.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05319546119726047834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-82659280373449827472016-05-12T09:29:50.528+01:002016-05-12T09:29:50.528+01:00It would be better if you kept to the Church's...It would be better if you kept to the Church's position on abortion rather than your own.<br /><br />"Abortion is not the lesser of two evils. It is a crime. It is to throw someone out in order to save another. That’s what the Mafia does. It is a crime, an absolute evil,” Pope Francis, Feb. 18.<br /><br />Reading your statement above, I remain of the opinion that your views are not compatible with the dogmatic teachings of the Church.<br /><br />Pétrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07278005406146945637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-7353704134121173842016-04-22T16:23:12.273+01:002016-04-22T16:23:12.273+01:00This comment has been hidden from the blog.Tina Beattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04324786100032395008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-40895188121825990862016-04-22T16:21:21.769+01:002016-04-22T16:21:21.769+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tina Beattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04324786100032395008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-28261417733578477432016-04-21T18:35:32.978+01:002016-04-21T18:35:32.978+01:00This comment has been hidden from the blog.Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11894310437569308545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-56977834325599021212016-04-21T18:19:29.179+01:002016-04-21T18:19:29.179+01:00This comment has been hidden from the blog.Benedict Ambrosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-11715465351944643112016-04-20T14:51:32.842+01:002016-04-20T14:51:32.842+01:00This comment has been hidden from the blog.ngplhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03627101152784697218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-69575323600999113892016-04-14T23:45:45.450+01:002016-04-14T23:45:45.450+01:00This strikes at the heart of what life is about-- ...This strikes at the heart of what life is about-- following the Cross. And the acceptance of suffering as mystery. (I read this very quickly as it is late at night and I am tired but I will come back to it!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-61018954211506798892016-04-14T23:45:25.380+01:002016-04-14T23:45:25.380+01:00This strikes at the heart of what life is about-- ...This strikes at the heart of what life is about-- following the Cross. And the acceptance of suffering as mystery. (I read this very quickly as it is late at night and I am tired but I will come back to it!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-17845587683100743382015-12-05T14:53:58.192+00:002015-12-05T14:53:58.192+00:00Thank you for your honesty and openness here.Thank you for your honesty and openness here.Joe Fordenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-37584673981905839982015-12-04T23:26:26.123+00:002015-12-04T23:26:26.123+00:00Tina, thank you! This deep and meaningful reflecti...Tina, thank you! This deep and meaningful reflection is indeed 'bread' for the Advent journey at this critical time. Jesus fed thousands with just five loaves, may this 'Bread of Advent' nourish hope and peace in our Leaders.Madeleinefitzpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-10896266432188639982015-11-04T14:05:10.872+00:002015-11-04T14:05:10.872+00:00"These last two lines struck me as the fundam..."These last two lines struck me as the fundamental meaning of the Christian faith"<br />Yes indeed, in a nutshell. <br /><br />And for me this line from My Song Is Love Unknown, a hymn by Samuel Crossman, written in 1664.<br /><br />"Love to the loveless shown <br />that they might lovely be".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-68464809103354478832015-06-15T11:38:21.561+01:002015-06-15T11:38:21.561+01:00I believe firmly in the devil! When chucked out o...I believe firmly in the devil! When chucked out of heaven he had nothing. How furious he must have been when Adam and Eve chucked out of Eden were still able to love God and each other in marriage - he has tried ever since to put wedges between human love and the love of God. Augustine of Hippo gave him the way in! He changed the words of Christ that man ad wife become one flesh therefore are they no longer two but one flesh into "In intercourse a man becomes all flesh". He also opined that as the phallus is not under direct control of the will, original sin had hit men in the genitals making them lustfully seek intercourse far in excess of procreative need. He declared that ALL intercourse which was not procreative in intention or form was mortal or venial sin. Thereon after the clergy of the Catholic church have ferociously attacked "being one flesh".<br />Satan had managed to make couples have to choose over and over again whether they loved God and so could not physically love each other, or make love and live in fear of God's wrath!<br />Let's get Satan out of the theology of marriage by denouncing all vestiges left of Augustine's pessimism!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-15150662736830344062015-04-27T12:52:01.009+01:002015-04-27T12:52:01.009+01:00[continued...]
You chose the Cynocephali to illust...[continued...]<br />You chose the Cynocephali to illustrate your point Tina. <br />One legend says St Christopher was rewarded by having his dog head removed returning him to the ranks of the elite - superior humankind. <br />Do any of the Church Fathers show compassion for animals or are they considered lesser beings in Creation like the human female - there to be tamed and used?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-12266234252643436992015-04-25T11:09:10.044+01:002015-04-25T11:09:10.044+01:00A thought-provoking piece. Thank you.
At what poin...A thought-provoking piece. Thank you.<br />At what point up the chain does it become unethical to kill I ask myself, as antibiotics kill the "bad" bacteria in my gut that elsewhere prevents the planet being overrun with organic debris?<br />We become sentimental and concerned at what point? Not with living bacteria that threatens, not with flies that spread disease, then when? <br /><br />The early Hebrews were known as the only people with concern for the animals they had to slaughter for food. Some other tribes in the area cut a limb off an animal to eat leaving it alive for another meal of fresh meat.<br />We are carnivores. Our teeth show that. Concern for animals arises when poverty decreases.<br /><br />Jesus ate fish, even cooked it after the Resurrection. That's good enough for me. The creature had to struggle and suffocate or receive a blow before the meal. <br />We are promised that the lion will lie down with the lamb...but not yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-1143956061618937882015-04-23T18:56:45.514+01:002015-04-23T18:56:45.514+01:00Have you come across the work of Carol J. Adams? ...Have you come across the work of Carol J. Adams? The book for which she is most renowned is "The Sexual Politics of Meat", published in 1990 and re-issued a few years ago. She makes links between women's oppression and meat eating, and used to teach theology courses on domestic violence (she was originally taught by Mary Daly).<br /><br />Adams does not claim to be an academic, but asserts that some feminist theory contains a previously unperceived vegetarian critique. I don't think her work is quite as heavy as Agamben, but it's worth a read and it links in with your final question, making an additional connection between patriarchy and meat.Angelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7236152873981220889.post-457014904846121132015-04-23T15:37:54.458+01:002015-04-23T15:37:54.458+01:00Have you come across Carol J Adams' "The ...Have you come across Carol J Adams' "The Sexual Politics of Meat"? I found her arguments for the connection between meat eating, misogyny, and racism, if not totally compelling, then at least worthy of serious consideration.Marika Rosenoreply@blogger.com